I'm done with em. Maybe if you live in the states they are ok, but getting stuff up here to Canada has been nothing but a sureal nightmare. Six to eight weeks for shipments to arrive? for the last four orders? I should be getting interest on my money after that long. Finally found a good depron supplier in Great Britian. Combine that with HobbyKings improved quality, and I'm done with Grayson. Even if I have to pay ten times the shipping rate it'll be worth it to never have to deal with Grayson again.